Turtle beach , voyetra digital orc plus sng conversion to mid file

Hello,

Yes, I'm still here, and still have my old DOS stuff, and the Voyetra system that I referred to is still available.

if THAT is what you need?

Not sure what you mean by the 'Digital Orc Plus', is that related?

There is a 'FlipSide' attachment, not sure if that's from 2 years ago, but I've downloaded that and 'll check that out.

I'll see what surfaces??

Geoff

Thanks Geoff !
"Digital orc plus file" is what Voyetra turned into over the years. Flip side is the file I need converted to a .mid file.
You can listen to what we do at ohomusic.com and thanks again for responding.
David

All OK here, but got a problem to sort out.

My installation of Voyetra seems to have got corrupted, but I've still got the install files so can re-install. Once that's done, I should be able to import your .SNG, then export as .MID. Check that that file works, and send it on to you. Take an extra day or two.

Geoff

FYI, MIDISoft Studio (Windows 98) can not open the file. I've used it previously to convert a SNG file, but apparently this one is a different format internally.

Right, the re-install went OK, there was the one file only that was damaged, the rest of the setup was fine.

Your file seems to load OK. I managed to find the option to save as MIDI, and did so. The result seems to be OK, I used the options to save everything into the midi file, but I've no way to tell for sure if everything is as you want, so decided to send anyway.

FLIP.ZIP should be attached, containing F1.MID.

I've still got everything set up, so if there's any problem I can soon try again.

Geoff

Hmm?

Right, I've dived in and played the file. It plays OK, and sounds as if it might be correct, or maybe it's got some of the instrumentation wrong, so it just seems more wierd than it ought to? Too many drums? Some parts sound more reasonable than others?

Should play through for you, you should be able to tell if it's correct.

Let me know please if it is as you created the 'song'.

Geoff

Geoff,
Thank you for doing this for me and I will load it up today and get back to you with the results.
All the Best,
David

Geoff,
It worked perfectly! Now the remix of this song begins. Thank you so much again for doing this for me. If you are interested and give me your email account I would be happy to give you access to our last two releases Gazebo and Ahora available on my google drive.
Thanks again and I will also send you a mp3 of my original composition Flipside, on our UP cd, so you can hear what it sounds like.
All the Best,
David

Thanks for the update.

Actually, just the re-mixed MIDI file would be best. I can replay it either using the VST system via SynthFont (which is how I tried the present version), or I can play the file using my analog setup (my Roland LAPC-I card supplying MIDI to my Yamaha MU90r box, or to the Korg NS5r, and see which sounds best?

You're in Baltimore - I was there once. Maybe before you were born? 1978. I was visiting some people I knew at Avalon Hill.

Geoff

Hello Geoff

I was really excited recognizing that there may be a chance to translate 4-5 of my old Voyetra SNG-Files (which I didn't export to MID approx. 30 years ago). Do you still have your Voyetra installation available to export MID-files if I'd provide my SNG-files? That would be really nice!
Just let me know if ok for you I'll then attach the files as Dave did in a ZIP file.

Andy

Yes, the setup is still 'set up' and available. Just a handfull of files should not be any problem. Zip them up and attach.

Geoff

Hey, fantastic :-). Please see the attached Zip-File with the songs in it.

Andy

Your *.MID files are attached. They seem to be all OK, I've not played them, as you know what they SHOULD sound like.

By all means complain if anything isn't correct.

There are options within the save to vary what data is saved, I selected all the defaults, so everything should be there.

Geoff

Andy,

I took the liberty of listening to one of your pieces. Andy10.

Very interesting. I understand that the setup I was using (SynthFont running via VST using 'Timbres of Heaven' SF2 data) could be different to the setup you used to create (and balance) the piece, however most of it sounded pretty good. You are using tracks 4 & 9 (I think it was those two) to cycle through a number of different lead instruments, some of which fitted in with the overall 'feel' of the piece, others less so, at least one seemed out of place.

I'll listen to it a few more times.

This rendition is totally digital, maybe I should try it playing through my Yamaha MU90r unit, which is a little less digital.

What equipment were you using when you created the piece?

By the way, I was playing it back on the basis of it being GM. maybe you created using non-GM sounds?

If you did the originals 30 years ago, I'd expect them to sound a LOT better 'sound-wise' with current setups. The Yamaha unit is not 30 years old yet as well.

Geoff

Andy,

I've been messing more with your ANDY10 file. I enjoy doing this sort of thing. Recovering data from damaged accounting system files was something I did 'professionally', so this is 'fun', with the added pleasure of listening to the results.

Firstly, I used the option within SynthFont to save the sound to a .WAV file. Your 'song' is 2m 58 secs, and this creates a .WAV file of 31 Mb, and when I check the file I note that the parameters indicate that it's CD quality (1411 Kbps, 16 bit, stereo, 44 KHz). Unfortunately, the max file size for the forum is 2Mb, and using zip reduces the .WAV only a little (to 29 Mb). I could reduce the quality a LOT, but this would spoil the effect.

SynthFont shows that ch 4 and 9 have multiple Program Changes, but when I check the detail I find that this is an illusion. There is I think one only real change, the other changes are repeats of the original setting, and there are also invalid Bank Selects that will probably have no effect on my system (but MIGHT have done something on your setup). Under GM, a Bank select requires the Bank commands (controllers 0 and 32) to be followed by the Program Change, and it's the PC which effects the change using the previously set Bank settings. The data in your file shows the PC, followed by the BS data which means that the BS will have no effect.

Apart from that, your file shows a text description for the instruments used, and these are NOT always the same as the GM spec, so I do not know how different the sounds might actually be. Of course, they may just be different names for very similar sounds? For example, Channel 0 uses patch # 95 (0 to 127 numbering), called 'Polar Pad' in your midi file, but 'Pad 8 (sweep)' by SynthFont using the GM name ('Sweep Pad').

Anyway, I'm fairly sure that I am NOT listening to the music that you created - this is not YOUR fault, it the different settings between your setup (30 years ago) and my setup. Even so, it mostly sounds very good.

Geoff

Hi Geoff

Hey, this is so cool! Thank you so much! I really enjyoed already to listen to the rough midi-Version of the file recognizing exactly what I composed long time ago even though the sounds didn't really fit to what I was playing back in the 90s with a Roland Sound Canvas SC-88 (that's what I used). This song I wrote to present a product we designed and produced at the university with my student peers. In fact I have somewhere a minidisc recording of it - I'm sure I'll be able transform it to mp3.

Right now I opened the midi-file in Cakewalk maybe getting some Synths in from Propellerhead Reason. On the other side I'd be really curious how the version sounds that you've reworked (which I appreciate a lot and I actually feel honoured knowing that somebody takes the time to do this :-). To be honest I don't really remember exactly what I did with all the program changes and special midi commads. Let me investigate a bit further as well to find it out. Regarding the sounds I assume I saved in fact same or similar sounds with different adjustments within the Roland SC-88.

Andy

Hello everyone, good afternoon. I stumbled on this thread, and I hope that I can find a solution to my quest. I have many .sng files of music I created using Voyetra software back when it was a dos system. Although I had converted many of my .sng files to .mid when Digital Orchestrator Pro came out for Windows, I still have the ones I never got around to converting. My hope is that there is someone out there who has a setup to accomplish this or knows of a tool that actually works. I have seen some tools offered online, but I am concerned that they might infect my computer with malware. I am attaching one of the files I have to see if it works.

If anyone can help me, please let me know.

Regards,
Jon

Hello Jon,

Just found your posting.

I've downloaded your file, and unzipped. I note that it contains a file 1.sng, this is dated 26/02/1995, and it's 9,419 bytes.

I've had a look inside, and it certainly appears to be what you say, I see reference to 'Tracks' and date, some of which could well be midi.

My DOS Voyetra system is still loaded on my old computer, and hopefully it's still working. I need to transfer your file to that computer, load it into Voyetra, and if all is OK, then export the file again as a midi. No problem, just fiddly.

How many files are you asking about?

I'll see how the first one goes!

Geoff

Jon,

Your file has loaded into Voyetra OK, things seem OK.

I've saved the file as .mid, and the result seems OK. I've played the file via my VST setup, and it seems OK.

I cannot tell if it's correct, but it could well be. Please confirm that it is as you remember it from 18 years ago!

Geoff

Hi Geoff,

I also have .ORC files, but I'm most interested in extracting the WAV stems. The files are considerably bigger than the 2MB limit here. If this something you can do, I have a file uploaded here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ce3x1rsk2os5cjzj5iyxe/test-ryan.orc?dl=0&rlkey=wle7hlxlwk1xceynig3nygban

Please let me know, thanks.

- Ryan