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Saw this post from 2 yrs ago and would like to inquire if anyone could convert a Digital orc plus file, sng to mid file ; whereas I have disposed of all my windows 95 dos based computers?
Thanks !
OHO/ David

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2 years ago
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Hello,

It might be a help if you attached a small example of the type of file you have. I suspect verious different systems use the .SNG filename, but the actual data in them could be quite different.

I assume you no longer have access to the original software. That system might have an option to 'export' as .SMF or .MID.

Initial investigation suggests that Voyetra SPG is DOS software. Also the indication is that it CAN export to a .MID file.

I have just downloaded a version of the Voyetra system, version 4 point something. I have a number of pure DOS computers here, incl the one I use for most of my midi bits, so installing and running the system would be no problem. I'd just need to confirm that the version I've got WIL load your .SNG, and WILL export to .MID. I'd expect that the default SAVE process would still be .SNG, but the export to .MID would be an option. Both the DOS type sequencer systems I have already normally save as their own format, but CAN save as midi as an alternatinve

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David set the type of the post as  How To Question — 3 months ago
3 months ago
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Hello,

Yes, I'm still here, and still have my old DOS stuff, and the Voyetra system that I referred to is still available.

if THAT is what you need?

Not sure what you mean by the 'Digital Orc Plus', is that related?

There is a 'FlipSide' attachment, not sure if that's from 2 years ago, but I've downloaded that and 'll check that out.

I'll see what surfaces??

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3 months ago
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Thanks Geoff !
"Digital orc plus file" is what Voyetra turned into over the years. Flip side is the file I need converted to a .mid file.
You can listen to what we do at ohomusic.com and thanks again for responding.
David
3 months ago
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All OK here, but got a problem to sort out.

My installation of Voyetra seems to have got corrupted, but I've still got the install files so can re-install. Once that's done, I should be able to import your .SNG, then export as .MID. Check that that file works, and send it on to you. Take an extra day or two.

Geoff
3 months ago
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FYI, MIDISoft Studio (Windows 98) can not open the file. I've used it previously to convert a SNG file, but apparently this one is a different format internally.
3 months ago
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Right, the re-install went OK, there was the one file only that was damaged, the rest of the setup was fine.

Your file seems to load OK. I managed to find the option to save as MIDI, and did so. The result seems to be OK, I used the options to save everything into the midi file, but I've no way to tell for sure if everything is as you want, so decided to send anyway.

FLIP.ZIP should be attached, containing F1.MID.

I've still got everything set up, so if there's any problem I can soon try again.

Geoff
3 months ago
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Hmm?

Right, I've dived in and played the file. It plays OK, and sounds as if it might be correct, or maybe it's got some of the instrumentation wrong, so it just seems more wierd than it ought to? Too many drums? Some parts sound more reasonable than others?

Should play through for you, you should be able to tell if it's correct.

Let me know please if it is as you created the 'song'.

Geoff
3 months ago
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Geoff,
Thank you for doing this for me and I will load it up today and get back to you with the results.
All the Best,
David
3 months ago
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Geoff,
It worked perfectly! Now the remix of this song begins. Thank you so much again for doing this for me. If you are interested and give me your email account I would be happy to give you access to our last two releases Gazebo and Ahora available on my google drive.
Thanks again and I will also send you a mp3 of my original composition Flipside, on our UP cd, so you can hear what it sounds like.
All the Best,
David
3 months ago
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Thanks for the update.

Actually, just the re-mixed MIDI file would be best. I can replay it either using the VST system via SynthFont (which is how I tried the present version), or I can play the file using my analog setup (my Roland LAPC-I card supplying MIDI to my Yamaha MU90r box, or to the Korg NS5r, and see which sounds best?

You're in Baltimore - I was there once. Maybe before you were born? 1978. I was visiting some people I knew at Avalon Hill.

Geoff
1 month ago
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Hello Geoff

I was really excited recognizing that there may be a chance to translate 4-5 of my old Voyetra SNG-Files (which I didn't export to MID approx. 30 years ago). Do you still have your Voyetra installation available to export MID-files if I'd provide my SNG-files? That would be really nice!
Just let me know if ok for you I'll then attach the files as Dave did in a ZIP file.

Andy
1 month ago
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Yes, the setup is still 'set up' and available. Just a handfull of files should not be any problem. Zip them up and attach.

Geoff
1 month ago
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Hey, fantastic :-). Please see the attached Zip-File with the songs in it.

Andy
1 month ago
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Your *.MID files are attached. They seem to be all OK, I've not played them, as you know what they SHOULD sound like.

By all means complain if anything isn't correct.

There are options within the save to vary what data is saved, I selected all the defaults, so everything should be there.

Geoff
1 month ago
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Andy,

I took the liberty of listening to one of your pieces. Andy10.

Very interesting. I understand that the setup I was using (SynthFont running via VST using 'Timbres of Heaven' SF2 data) could be different to the setup you used to create (and balance) the piece, however most of it sounded pretty good. You are using tracks 4 & 9 (I think it was those two) to cycle through a number of different lead instruments, some of which fitted in with the overall 'feel' of the piece, others less so, at least one seemed out of place.

I'll listen to it a few more times.

This rendition is totally digital, maybe I should try it playing through my Yamaha MU90r unit, which is a little less digital.

What equipment were you using when you created the piece?

By the way, I was playing it back on the basis of it being GM. maybe you created using non-GM sounds?

If you did the originals 30 years ago, I'd expect them to sound a LOT better 'sound-wise' with current setups. The Yamaha unit is not 30 years old yet as well.

Geoff
1 month ago
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Andy,

I've been messing more with your ANDY10 file. I enjoy doing this sort of thing. Recovering data from damaged accounting system files was something I did 'professionally', so this is 'fun', with the added pleasure of listening to the results.

Firstly, I used the option within SynthFont to save the sound to a .WAV file. Your 'song' is 2m 58 secs, and this creates a .WAV file of 31 Mb, and when I check the file I note that the parameters indicate that it's CD quality (1411 Kbps, 16 bit, stereo, 44 KHz). Unfortunately, the max file size for the forum is 2Mb, and using zip reduces the .WAV only a little (to 29 Mb). I could reduce the quality a LOT, but this would spoil the effect.

SynthFont shows that ch 4 and 9 have multiple Program Changes, but when I check the detail I find that this is an illusion. There is I think one only real change, the other changes are repeats of the original setting, and there are also invalid Bank Selects that will probably have no effect on my system (but MIGHT have done something on your setup). Under GM, a Bank select requires the Bank commands (controllers 0 and 32) to be followed by the Program Change, and it's the PC which effects the change using the previously set Bank settings. The data in your file shows the PC, followed by the BS data which means that the BS will have no effect.

Apart from that, your file shows a text description for the instruments used, and these are NOT always the same as the GM spec, so I do not know how different the sounds might actually be. Of course, they may just be different names for very similar sounds? For example, Channel 0 uses patch # 95 (0 to 127 numbering), called 'Polar Pad' in your midi file, but 'Pad 8 (sweep)' by SynthFont using the GM name ('Sweep Pad').

Anyway, I'm fairly sure that I am NOT listening to the music that you created - this is not YOUR fault, it the different settings between your setup (30 years ago) and my setup. Even so, it mostly sounds very good.

Geoff
1 month ago
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Hi Geoff

Hey, this is so cool! Thank you so much! I really enjyoed already to listen to the rough midi-Version of the file recognizing exactly what I composed long time ago even though the sounds didn't really fit to what I was playing back in the 90s with a Roland Sound Canvas SC-88 (that's what I used). This song I wrote to present a product we designed and produced at the university with my student peers. In fact I have somewhere a minidisc recording of it - I'm sure I'll be able transform it to mp3.

Right now I opened the midi-file in Cakewalk maybe getting some Synths in from Propellerhead Reason. On the other side I'd be really curious how the version sounds that you've reworked (which I appreciate a lot and I actually feel honoured knowing that somebody takes the time to do this :-). To be honest I don't really remember exactly what I did with all the program changes and special midi commads. Let me investigate a bit further as well to find it out. Regarding the sounds I assume I saved in fact same or similar sounds with different adjustments within the Roland SC-88.

Andy
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